Panels of inquiry lack transparency
Transcript of BBC Radio interview given by
Prof Rajiva Wijesinha, MP
Razia Iqbal: Why (did) the Government of Sri Lanka want the UN
to go? Was it because you couldn’t protect them or did you have another
reason?
Prof Rajiva Wijesinha, MP |
Rajiva Wijesinha: Well in fact we didn’t want them to go. In
September we asked the NGOs to leave, one of them had actually been
supplying vehicles to the Tigers. We specifically asked, and that letter
is available, UNFPA and UNHCR to stay along with the Red Cross. I’m
afraid the then UNDP representative was galvanised by some people, who
wanted almost to blackmail us, to say “No no, if we can’t all stay, then
we are all going to leave”. So the Defence Secretary said, ‘Then leave.’
But the ICRC stayed right through and we have got all the details of the
ICRC interventions during that period. We also have the UN interventions
…
RI: We’re not talking about the ICRC Sir, if I, if you
wouldn’t mind …
RW: Hold on, let me finish. The UN was there through convoys
right through till January, and it’s nonsense to say the UNDP
representative didn’t bother – they were very concerned.
I remember my Minister (Mahinda Samarasinghe) being rung up one
morning and told that the people in the No-Fire Zone were being fired
on, but in the evening they sent us an SMS saying their information was
that the firing came from the Tigers – I don’t think they were lying,
but unfortunately junior members of the UN have complained about their
bosses and lied about them.
RI: Sir, this internal report of the UN says that under
intense pressure from the Sri Lankan government the UN did not make
clear that a large majority of deaths were caused by government
shelling, and that you put the UN under that pressure.
RW: The panels of inquiry have not been transparent. We have
got the letters through which the UN dealt with us and I think this is
an attempt to undermine senior members of the UN.
I am sorry you can’t share the leaked report with me, but recently I
saw something by a Britisher Julian Vigo which quoted young people in
the UN system, and they are liars – for instance I checked with IOM
about the person called Suzanne – they said there was no such person
called Suzanne …. I’m afraid these people are not only determined to
push a political agenda, but they are not truthful. I mean I don’t mind
people being anonymous but don’t claim to have a name which turns out to
be false.
Why don’t you check with the senior leadership of the UN? I have to
say that the Sri Lankan authorities have failed because when the
Darusman report came out I personally checked – Sir John Holmes had not
been contacted, except very briefly initially, Neil Buhne was the UNDP
head and worked very well with the Sri Lankans, he was not contacted
except briefly at the start. He can testify that the Tigers did not
allow something like 600 Sri Lankan (UN) workers to leave, but at the
end of the war, all of them were safe – so this is hardly indiscriminate
attacks.
RI: Well let me ask you about the issue that both sides in
this conflict have been accused of war crimes and crimes against
humanity. What do you as a representative of the Sri Lankan government
have to say about that – that there was widespread indiscriminate
shelling of civillians.
RW: Well who are the people who make these attacks? For
instance in the East, where I followed very carefully, Human Rights
Watch (HRW) said 'indiscriminate attacks on civillians' but their report
recorded only one instance of civillians being killed and that was
because of mortar locating radar.
We took full responsibility and said we are sorry but we had mortar
locating radar, and HRW granted the Tigers had been with weapons in a
refugee camp but said they were not heavy weapons. How dare they allow
these people to shoot from amongst refugees?
RI: Do you not Sir take responsibility …
RW: I was Head of the Peace Secretariat, I monitored TamilNet
every day and I would ask for explanations
RI: How do you account for tens
RW: Let me finish please
RI: You are not answering the question
RW: Of 425 sorties by the air force, in only 29 of them were
there allegations of civilian deaths
RI: How do you account for tens of thousands of civilians
being killed?
RW: It is not tens of thousands because even the UN report –
which the UN then said we cannot talk about because it’s not verifiable,
Sir John Holmes said that, he was accused of suppressing things but he
was trying to be accurate – said 7,000.
The larger figure is obviously exaggerated, and you’re relying on
people like the Times who started this figure of 20,000. They first said
it was on the basis of extrapolations. When I pointed out that it was
not true, they said it was on the basis of graveyards. The graveyards
were looked at aerially by the American Association for the Advancement
of Science and their report was suppressed because they said the
graveyards barely expanded during those days. So why don’t you look at a
few facts instead of mentioning the exaggerations of people who simply
cannot cite dates and times?
RI: Is it not also the case Sir that you do not allow
journalists to, have not allowed journalists to report on this story
freely which makes it very difficult to verify some of the things that
you are claiming?
RW: Don’t be ridiculous. During the war I was Head of the
Peace Secretariat – I kept asking journalists to come in.
The Indians came and reported very fairly and I must say in fairness
to the BBC it was not outrageous, they tended to cite people but they
always said they were citing – it was Channel 4 and the Guardian that
came out with such outrageous lies and when I questioned the Guardian
guy he sort of said to me ‘I now realise that source was not reliable.’
This is the source that told him there were 13 women with their
throats cut – there was not one, I checked with all the protection
agencies.
RI: OK OK Sir we have run out of time. Thank you very much
indeed for joining us.
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